tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post4417739498236619725..comments2023-07-06T08:42:01.186-07:00Comments on Royal Blush Authors: Lyrical Press Inc. behaving very badly!Z(Aasiyah/Nolwynn)http://www.blogger.com/profile/07199708922659903349noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-23351006077361935332013-01-13T21:41:07.792-08:002013-01-13T21:41:07.792-08:00Actually Ms Rocco was always very good with me. Wh...Actually Ms Rocco was always very good with me. When she agreed to publish one of my books, the contract may have been as nasty as the one mentioned. Okay, I'm a dope, but I seldom bother to read contracts. The plus side is that I was assigned an editor who worked very closely with me for some time until we got everything just right. <br />Two little problems: First, my book was scarcely erotic in nature and it appears that most of their works is, and probably for that reason, problem 2 came up: no sales.<br />After about 3 months, Ms Rocco sent me a very nice sympathetic letter telling me that she felt it wasn't fair to either of us to continue to offer the book and she returned my rights to me. <br />I wasn't thrilled at first, but now I feel she did the right thing. I found another publisher and we're all happy. <br />One other thing: Almost before I could react, I was presented with a cover I didn't like but when I tried to discuss changing it, I was told it was too late to change at that point, so I was stuck with it.<br />In summation: Far as I could see, they're honest in their dealings if you offer the sort of stuff they publish. My experience was a mistake evidently on both sides and I have no hard feelings.C. M. Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04659697389872692820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-46299511006791603632009-09-29T13:57:35.830-07:002009-09-29T13:57:35.830-07:00I'm a little late in the game, but I had to ad...I'm a little late in the game, but I had to add in my two cents.<br /><br />I was accepted by LPI but read their contract carefully. I walked away and felt sorry for anyone who would agree to a few questionable terms in their contract, not only the one in question here.<br /><br />You don't need to get nasty about this issue, but keep in mind that you need to educate yourself and, like negotiating for a fair price on a new car, you need to be willing to walk away from a bad publishing contract and look elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-55793989950852366922009-09-11T06:25:48.345-07:002009-09-11T06:25:48.345-07:00From Piers Anthony's Internet Publishing (http...From Piers Anthony's Internet Publishing (http://www.hipiers.com/publishing.html)- one of the primary sources online to find out the reputation of e-publishers:<br /><br />"September 2009 update: there have been ugly reports on other sites condemning this publisher. As far as I can ascertain, they are fallacious, a hate campaign."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-10050753114406283332009-08-30T06:56:04.594-07:002009-08-30T06:56:04.594-07:00I just want you to know from personal experience t...I just want you to know from personal experience that Renee Rocco is a miserable bitch who is trying to reinvent herself she is a deceiving looser who was a stripper from the age of 18 and did for over 10 years. She is a cheat and will screw up anyone who she encounters she also is a "Closet" case now on her blog she talks about her her perfect life...please it's all for showAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-38401950438480313972009-08-25T14:07:47.848-07:002009-08-25T14:07:47.848-07:00Ugh, what a mess. I get so saddened when things li...Ugh, what a mess. I get so saddened when things like this get tossed around. Gives all e-pubs a bad name, and they're not all bad. The best advice to any author is to really read your contract and make sure you understand it. If you don't understand or don't agree, don't sign it. Question it until you do understand and agree or go elsewhere. It's okay to say no and run away. It's okay to ask questions. It's okay to have faith in yourself and your work enough to try a different publishing house.Anastasia Rabiyahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14776084016655371952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-13240329900890280822009-08-25T13:11:51.741-07:002009-08-25T13:11:51.741-07:00Anonymous on 8/25 at 12:11 said,
we've got Vi...Anonymous on 8/25 at 12:11 said,<br /><br /><i>we've got Vitoria Strauss clarifying (rightly IMHO) that she isn't t the final arbiter of all things contractual in the publishing world. (Though I wonder why she didn't question this clause at the time the whole "kill fee" thing happened.)</i><br /><br />As I said in my first comment, I <i>did</i> question the clause (if you're referring to the Revisions clause quoted above). I let Lyrical know that such clauses don't belong in fiction contracts, and told them that I always recommend that novelist strike them when they find them. This is just one of several of my contract criticisms that Lyrical chose not to take on board.<br /><br />Clauses such as this one have <i>nothing to do</i> with pre-publication editing (that's covered in a separate Editing clause). They are intended to cover <i>revised editions of already-published books</i>. They don't belong in fiction contracts, but they are not "designed to rip off authors." In this situation, the problem arises not because the clause is rapacious or nonstandard, but because Lyrical appears to be completely misinterpreting its language and intent. I've never before heard of a publisher doing this.Victoria Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11993325726575944136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-11075137849754021142009-08-25T12:00:00.614-07:002009-08-25T12:00:00.614-07:00To Anonymous,
I remember when an editor at Harle...To Anonymous, <br /><br />I remember when an editor at Harlequin was fired because she edited and author's book, and it was published without the author okaying the edits. That editor messed with the wrong author. This woman was far more knowledgeable about business than the editor. She went to the main offices in Canada to the top man.<br /><br />It was not proper behavior or Harlequin's business practice to do what she did. <br /><br />If e-presses want to play with the big boys they better damn well obey the rules.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-87499199575308267802009-08-25T09:46:44.662-07:002009-08-25T09:46:44.662-07:00Hi Anon - nice of you to drop by, but the fact of ...Hi Anon - nice of you to drop by, but the fact of it is - this publisher is holding the author's story hostage and then charging them against future royalties for the edits they had no say in. <br /><br />All your this is this and that is that doesn't adress that problem. And, don't blame the author because I've talked to five LPI authors who have it in there contracts -- all of whom now realize the clause stinks.Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659819995519071085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-51074532618770985472009-08-25T09:44:12.390-07:002009-08-25T09:44:12.390-07:00Annon 6:58
Regarding your 'please realize all...Annon 6:58<br /><br />Regarding your 'please realize all publishing contracts have an editing/revising clause. Every book needs editing. Yes, every book. '<br /><br />The editing was not what was in question. The forced payment is.Diana Castillejahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18120179642772790880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-3236151184042760992009-08-25T08:59:46.445-07:002009-08-25T08:59:46.445-07:00And what a lengthy comment it is, Sandy. Could it ...And what a lengthy comment it is, Sandy. Could it possibly be someone who is heavily invested with LPI? The comment in question seems too heartfelt to be simply an objective one. Frankly though, can comment with no name to it be deemed an opinion? That said, the contract clause remains what it is - one designed to rip off an author. And the reason so many e-pubs have been getting away with this is that nobody would speak up. Finally someone with balls (figuratively speaking) to take this on publicly. About time. I had a bad experience with one of "those" publishers myself in the past, and everything was pushed under the carpet. Not sure in my case if it was purposeful bad behavior on the part of the publisher or simply lack of business sense. This attitude of "say nothing and take it" was due to change one day or another. Why shouldn't an author who was ripped off talk about it in a public setting? Isn't that what discussion groups are for? To educate is to impart the good and the bad news, and help authors grow and make wiser decisions. Should the author have shut up and said nothing after the publisher threatened to steal her manuscript? I am surprised that Anonymous would suggest this, being that she/he has 5 published manuscripts - and that would make she/he an author with supposed interest in what is going on in her/his industry....or not?Angela Guillaumehttp://www.angelaguillaume.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-59726243350098983432009-08-25T08:44:34.734-07:002009-08-25T08:44:34.734-07:00Since, Anonymous, know so much about what is ethic...Since, Anonymous, know so much about what is ethical I'm surprised she's not willing to sign her name to her comment.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-70890824024470251952009-08-25T07:25:34.965-07:002009-08-25T07:25:34.965-07:00If i have to go thru them, I can go without being ...If i have to go thru them, I can go without being published. What a rip-off!kt bishopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-36819703433598771632009-08-25T06:58:33.790-07:002009-08-25T06:58:33.790-07:00I don’t know the particulars of the dispute betwee...I don’t know the particulars of the dispute between this author and Lyrical Press, but it sounds like the author’s contract fell through because of editing conflicts. That author – very unprofessionally – decided to publicly air his/her grievances and now many people who don’t know what they are talking about have joined in, Lord of the Flies style.<br />Let’s clarify one thing: a publishing contract is just that, a contract. A legal and binding document, boys and girls. Which means if either the author or the publisher fails to uphold their end of the deal (breach of contract), there will be repercussions. Publishing is a business, no matter how artsy fartsy some writers try to make it and the bottom line is, if you can’t deliver a marketable product, then you’ve got problems, and will continue to have problems regardless of what publisher you work with. For everyone crying “unfair”, please realize all publishing contracts have an editing/revising clause. Every book needs editing. Yes, every book. Even yours! And obviously if you are dead, you can’t do revisions. Probably neither can your heirs, and while we’re on the subject, who the heck came up with the idea that the heirs would not see any income from said book? Can we say “convoluted hoopla”? As usual, if people had their stories straight and only posted truths, things like this just wouldn’t be as interesting, now would they?<br />For those claiming LPI preyed upon authors… pardon me, but I’d bet my library card that the author in question came begging Ms. Rocco to publish his/her book, not the other way around.<br />If you think it’s wrong for a publisher to charge a fee for authors who refuse to comply with contractual obligations (it’s standard in the business, by the way – I’ve had 5 contracts and every one of them has the pullout fee provision), you probably have no idea how much work has already gone into getting a book ready for production, by numerous parties, not only the book’s editor. Authors who dillydally and play with contracts, then back out of them claiming artistic principles or whathaveyou should face consequences.<br />Bottom line is, unless you truly know what’s going on here, it’s simply unethical to be going around calling other people/businesses unethical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-63753096652013148132009-08-25T04:03:31.833-07:002009-08-25T04:03:31.833-07:00In my opinion, it all comes down to ethics. Those...In my opinion, it all comes down to ethics. Those who have ever taken a class in ethics will know this company, Lyrical Press, acted unethically. There have always been those who take advantage of others, so we have to be more vigilant than ever. <br /><br />Thanks to the cheerleader.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-19576191076681075542009-08-25T03:14:28.716-07:002009-08-25T03:14:28.716-07:00Thank you for your clarification, Ms. Strauss. I a...Thank you for your clarification, Ms. Strauss. I agree that this clause is necessary in non-fiction contracts. <br /><br />Whether or not you think the author made a stupid move, I would think authors would run in fear away from this publisher once they learned they kicked an author off her book and then are intent on charging for the edits they did without her input. That's the WTF of this post. <br /><br />Personally, I would have let the author go and dropped the clause because although it is necessary in non-fiction that doesn't constitute what LPI is doing. You can't arbitrarily kick an author off their book because you can't get along or see eye to eye and then do with it as you see fit. You can't even do that in non-fiction.Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659819995519071085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-38380254446195521612009-08-25T00:11:41.506-07:002009-08-25T00:11:41.506-07:00So we've got two or three blogs complaining ab...So we've got two or three blogs complaining about a clause in the contract, we've got Lyrical Press saying Victoria Strauss Ok'd their contract (probably not the smartest thing to say in a public forum) and we've got Vitoria Strauss clarifying (rightly IMHO) that she isn't t the final arbiter of all things contractual in the publishing world. (Though I wonder why she didn't question this clause at the time the whole "kill fee" thing happened.) We've got Lyrical saying "get a lawyer before signing" after the fact as opposed to just saying "hey we'll just drop the clause all together and make this go away" and pointing to on unhappy author for having started all this in the first place.<br /><br />A couple of observations:<br /><br />1) Unhappy author aside, the clause probably should be removed from Lyrical's contracts despite assertions that Lyrical needs to cover it's financial ass when it comes to setting up a publishing house and the cost associated with producing en eBook. The last time I looked, that's called "the cost of doing business" and you generally recover your costs from the consumer by marking up the price of your goods - you don't charge the producer of the goods, namely the author, for revising a manuscript. It simply looks like you're purposefully trying to take advantage of authors and really, this whole "controversy" points to a lack of experience in the management at Lyrical Press because anyone with half a brain would have realized the kill fee and now this contract issue aren't standard in the publishing industry. <br /><br />2) There is a gang mentality when bloggers smell blood in the water and everyone wants to jump in to rip a piece of flesh from the wounded party. There will be those foaming at the mouth, pointing and screaming in a shrill voice "cheerleader!" or "sock puppet!" should anyone dare try to defend Lyrical or should one of their authors (stupidly) come forward and say "they along with most authors are extremely happy at Lyrical Press".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-17289936944392068442009-08-24T23:47:53.321-07:002009-08-24T23:47:53.321-07:00Flim-flam artists are able to be flim-flam artists...Flim-flam artists are able to be flim-flam artists because there are people who WILL sign the contract!!! It's as simple as that. Although I'm typically on the side of the authors when it comes to shady publishers, I have no sympathy for authors who willingly sign anything and everything just for the sake of getting published. Warnings about this publisher (owner) appeared on numerous blogs even before they released their first books, yet authors flocked to them anyway. Sorry, but if they signed such a crappy contract, it's their problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-80674844215336543532009-08-24T22:59:59.386-07:002009-08-24T22:59:59.386-07:00I'd simply like to point out that the vast maj...I'd simply like to point out that the vast majority of Lyrical's authors are totally content with their contracts. Whether to sign or not sign a particular contract is the decision of each individual author, not one that others should make for them. <br /><br />Certainly, it seems a little unprofessional to be referring to a legitimate publisher as "trash" and its authors as "dupes". I for one read all contracts extremely carefully, and take time to consider them before signing.<br /><br />I understand that you're trying to do a good thing here by "saving" unsuspecting authors from a contract you perceive to be unfair. However, I can only say that in the end, all of Lyrical Press's authors are grown adults and capable of making their own decisions. This is a Lyrical Press issue and should be handled internally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-66193389578311223282009-08-24T19:01:06.690-07:002009-08-24T19:01:06.690-07:00First of all, I'm not part of any official bod...First of all, I'm not part of any official body, so I don't have the power to "approve" anything. Second, <a href="http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3445379&postcount=90" rel="nofollow">here's what I actually said</a> about Lyrical's contract changes (from a thread on Lyrical at Absolute Write).<br /><br />I said something very similar to Frank Rocco in private correspondence. I was genuinely impressed with Lyrical's willingness to make changes (if you go through <a href="http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104091" rel="nofollow">the thread</a>, you can find some of my original objections) and although they didn't implement all my suggestions, I do feel they made the contract much more author-friendly than it was (though I did note my continuing objection to the kill fee). But that hardly constitutes an "approval," or a blanket endorsement of all the contract clauses.<br /><br />As to the Revisions clause quoted above--it's intended to cover subsequent revisions of a published work--not ongoing revisions to an unpublished work (that's covered by the Editing clause). It's standard in nonfiction contracts (where works may need updating from time to time, and can stay in print for decades) but does not belong in a fiction contract (in fact, I told Mr. Rocco that I always advise authors to strike such clauses). If Lyrical is invoking it to justify charging an author for editing an unpublished work, then they are completely misinterpreting it.Victoria Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11993325726575944136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-68860075840803130142009-08-24T18:32:33.449-07:002009-08-24T18:32:33.449-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Victoria Strausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11993325726575944136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-85883962297270772692009-08-24T16:31:58.244-07:002009-08-24T16:31:58.244-07:00Interesting article.
I don't like the editing ...Interesting article.<br />I don't like the editing clause either.<br />I've run an epub, and I'm sorry, if you commit yourself to publishing a book, then you have to believe it is a viable venture.<br />Not, it's a viable venture after someone else makes edits with or without author approval. If it's not good enough to be published, then why contract it at all?<br />It seems to me LP needs to be more picky in what is contracted, not make the author pay for edits. <br />Because if you're not taking the best of the best, then why should I, the reader, bother to buy it?Silkehttp://www.evilauthor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-20359019076408856782009-08-24T15:50:18.906-07:002009-08-24T15:50:18.906-07:00Thank you for clarifying the obvious, Mr. Rocco. U...Thank you for clarifying the obvious, Mr. Rocco. Unfortunately the buy-out was not in question. It was the charging for editting should the author die or not perform. <br /><br />Would you care to put a monetary value on this item? Would you care to retract your statement above and clarify the clause which is the issue? <br /><br />Thank you for responding.Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659819995519071085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-91694616578010424772009-08-24T14:23:07.783-07:002009-08-24T14:23:07.783-07:00As Lyrical Press has removed the early termination...As Lyrical Press has removed the early termination fee from our contract after the reccomendation of Victoria Strauss, that much of this post no longer pertains. As for the remainder of Lyrical's contract, it has been reviewed by Mrs. Strauss months ago, and in fact, has earned an approval from her personally. Mrs. Strauss is one of the founders of Writer Bewares.<br /><br />If anyone else would like to discuss our contract, please feel free to contact us at publisher@lyricalpress.com.<br /><br />Frank RoccoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-36734683148153359002009-08-24T12:57:21.502-07:002009-08-24T12:57:21.502-07:00Not all publishers have such draconian clauses in ...Not all publishers have such draconian clauses in their contracts. I could name any number of reputable ebook presses--big and small--who do not seek to rip off their authors.M Barnettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05639804147230928539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8654572634275982798.post-8814205008180952522009-08-24T12:01:58.046-07:002009-08-24T12:01:58.046-07:00T.J.,
It's absolutely maddening that people w...T.J.,<br /><br />It's absolutely maddening that people who are pursuing their dreams get duped by people like this. What a shame. Thanks for letting us know. Not that I plan to leave my great publisher.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.com